Will Winnecke Ever Prove That Page 13 Was A "General Conclusion" With The Task Force?

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Why I’m No Longer An Aces Fan: The Numbers Don’t Lie, UE Should’ve Never Told Roberts Good-Bye

I’ll admit, I use to be an Aces fan. The keywords in that sentence are “use to be.” Growing up in Evansville, the Aces were something you could take pride in, they were larger than life. Although they never reached the pinnacle of being competitive with teams like IU, UK, Purdue, Louisville, etc, etc on a daily basis, they were still a way of life. After all, what other university can say that Jerry Sloan played for them? What other team has a player that scored 65 points in one game?

Before these past few years, Aces basketball stood for something. It was, in a nutshell, what being born and raised in Evansville was all about. It stood for loyalty, tradition, honor, integrity, and most importantly, it stood for progress. When I read through the book Trophies and Tears (you can order your copy by going to the link on the right hand side), I always end each chapter with one thought- I can only imagine what could have been.

When the city of Evansville started struggling in the early 1960s, the government wasn’t talented enough to adapt, innovate, or even stabilize the city. Gone were people like Benjamin Bosse and Hank Roberts. In were large family names like Lloyd, Mosby, and McDonald. When you have a leader(s) that lacks talent, self-confidence, or determination to get a task accomplished, it isn’t too hard for the rest of the group to sense that they’re heading in the wrong direction. After this started happening in the 1960’s, it didn’t take too long for local residents to figure out that Evansville’s future had a big red arrow pointing down. Since that time, Evansville has decreased in population in every U.S Census.

While the destruction of Evansville was taking place, the University of Evansville Men’s Basketball Team was going in the other direction. After hanging FIVE NCAA Div II National Championships (college division back then), UE made the bold and daring decision to go Division I, something even USI hasn’t had the guts to make yet. Right out of the gates, UE was dealt an enormous setback in 1977 (their first year as a Div I team) when a plane carrying their team to Nashville crashed and left no survivors. After that horrific tragedy, most universities would have packed it in. UE did the exact opposite.

In 1978, attendance for Aces games at Roberts started off very slow at 5,095 fans/game (I’m going to have a complete list of year by year attendance figures further down this article) but picked up steadily and quickly. In 1979, attendance rose dramatically to 8,015 fans/game, and by 1982, attendance was up to 10,001 fans/game. This impressive number moved UE up to 32nd in the NCAA attendance rankings. Just five years after entering Div I basketball, and just five years after suffering a horrific plane crash that decimated the Aces program, UE and the Evansville community had come together successfully to bring the program all the way up to 32nd in nation for attendance. This took place while Evansville was losing residents in every US Census since 1960!

After 1982, attendance began to level off a little bit, and by 1985, it had fallen all the way down to 6,245 fans/game which ranked 78^th in NCAA Div I Basketball. If this happened today, do you think the local naysayers would have the strength to bring the program back up? Thankfully, times were different for UE and Evansville as a whole in the late 1980’s. Although I felt like the city made an enormous mistake by not building Mayor Vandeveer’s proposed dome downtown, I also felt like the decision to renovate Roberts Stadium proved to be the correct decision as far as the Aces are concerned.

By 1986, the city began discussing if they were going to renovate Roberts Stadium or build a new arena (of course before they even started they had already conceded that they were only going to solve half the problem). When all was said and done, the decision was made to renovate Roberts Stadium in 1990. From 1986 to the final season of old Roberts Stadium (1989), Aces attendance rose from 6,516 fans/game to 9,280 fans/game which moved UE back up to 45^th in the attendance rankings.

Like 1977, Roberts Stadium came up big for the Aces once more in the 1990s. From 1991 (the first season after renovations were complete) through the 1996-97 season (6 total seasons), the Aces averaged 10,000 + fans/game every single season. Support for Aces basketball peaked in 1993 when an average of 11,740 fans showed up each game. This moved UE all the way up to 30th in the NCAA attendance rankings. In other words, the renovations to Roberts Stadium WORKED!

In 1997, things began to take a turn for the worse when attendance fell to 8,348 fans/game. Attendance would dangle in the 8,000s until 2001 when it fell to 7,148 fans/game. That takes us to 2002 when our last major shift in attendance took place. In 2002, attendance fell all the way down to 5,822 fans/game.  With the Aces playing in front of crowds that were 50% of what they used to be, a decision had to be made on the future of the Aces program.

Instead of rallying around their program like UE traditionally did, the university began pondering a move to Div III. Thankfully, what was left of the spirit of Aces basketball rose up one last time to prevent this move. The university announced that their alumni had successfully convinced them to stay Div I. The momentum gained from this decision helped UE rise slightly in attendance as the Aces played in front of 6,000 + fans/game from 2003 to 2006.

Basically, from 1977 all the way up to 2006, our community was very lucky in the sense that UE, UE’s alumni, and the UE Men’s basketball team itself kept making the correct decisions time after time. Unlike the city of Evansville, which was still in decline mode, UE was resilient. We can credit this resiliency to one thing- Roberts Stadium. That’s right, Roberts Stadium made the Aces who they are today…

http://local.evpl.org/views/viewimage.asp?ID=681247

In 2007, it was decision time once more as attendance had fallen to 5,494 fans/game again. This time, UE decided to make the wrong decision which also happens to be the decision that is basically why I’m no longer an Aces fan today. After then mayor Jonathan Weinzapfel won re-election by a landslide, he became convinced that everything he wanted to do was a mandate. One of those mandates was a new arena.

I know I’ve said it a thousand times on this blog, but I’m going to say it once more: I’m not against the construction of the new arena downtown. In fact, I showed up on the day of its ground breaking to support the mayor. However, that doesn’t mean that I agree that UE should have been one of its tenants. If you look at UE and its basketball program from the big picture, you find yourself wondering why the university would make such a dumb decision to play all of their games downtown.

In 2009, the city had finally ironed out all of the details to their arena plan. The plan consisted of placing the new arena on half of the Executive Inn’s lot and half of the lot bounded by Main Street, Locust, 6^th Avenue, and MLK. This was easily one of the dumbest decisions ever made in the history of Evansville, but there were two things left that made it even worse in terms of Aces basketball. After thinking and debating about it, the mayor finally announced that the arena would have a hockey sized floor (Roberts’ is basketball sized) and the city would be moving UE in instead of handing them the keys to Roberts Stadium.

Since that time, Aces attendance has fallen once more. After attendance increased to 5,863 fans/game in 2009, it nose dived to 4,832 fans/game in 2010 before rising up slowly in 2011 to 4,910 fans/game (the slight increase can be attributed to the fact that 2011 saw both UNC come to town as well as the final Aces game at Roberts Stadium).

For those who haven’t been following the pattern of UE attendance, here is all 35 years of Aces Division I basketball attendance at Roberts Stadium (in parenthesis is UE’s rank in the NCAA)…

UE 2011 4,910 (614 fans out of Top 100) UE 2010 4,832 (579 fans out of Top 100) UE 2009 5,863 (94^th) UE 2008 5,486 (265 fans out of Top 100) UE 2007 5,494 (99^th) UE 2006 6,025 (88th) UE 2005 6,318 (85th) UE 2004 6,618 (82nd) UE 2003 6,671 (80th) UE 2002 5,822 (95th) UE 2001 7,148 (72) UE 2000 8,337 (55th) UE 1999 8,587 (53^rd) UE 1998 8,177 (55^th) UE 1997 8,348 (56^th) UE 1996 10,457 (40^th) UE 1995 10,489 (37^th) UE 1994 10,230 (38^th) UE 1993 11,740 (30^th) UE 1992 10,198 (36^th) UE 1991 10,784 (32^nd) UE 1990 9,648 (45^th) UE 1989 9,280 (45^th) UE 1988 9,122 (43^rd) UE 1987 7,923 (54^th) UE 1986 6,516 (76^th) UE 1985 6,245 (78^th) UE 1984 7,975 (52^nd) UE 1983 8,434 (45^th) UE 1982 10,001 (32^nd) UE 1981 8,431 (44^th) UE 1980 7,735 (54^th) UE 1979 8,015 (48^th) UE 1978 5,095 (86^th)

Moving forward, we were told that moving the Aces into what is now known as the Ford Center was the correct decision for both the Aces, the Ford Center, and the city of Evansville in general. But so far, the statistics tell a different story. Attendance per game for the Aces first season in the Ford Center was a whopping…

UE 2012 5,135 (102 fans out of Top 100)

That’s right, we spent $125 million on a new arena and we have a primary tenant whose attendance only increased 235 fans/game even with Butler and Indiana coming to town. One would think that was bad enough, but it gets even WORSE. Let’s take a look at attendance of each Aces home game this year…

USI                                   7358

Illinois Springfield               4753

Buffalo                               3572

Yale                                   4112

Western Ill                          4431

Alabama A&M                  3510

Miami (OH)                        3481

Murray St.                          6302          

Alabama State                    4116

Oakland City                       3254         

Missouri State                     3721

Southern Illinois                   6032        

Wichita State                       5485

Bradley                                4183       Avg (4594)

Technically, the Aces highest drawing game, which was against USI, may not count towards attendance since it was an exhibition game. But in the act of fairness, I am going to throw both the 7,358 fans at the USI game and the 4,753 fans at the Illinois Springfield game into the mix. When we add up attendance for all 14 games UE has played this season at the Ford Center, we get a total of 64,310 fans. In other words, 6 and a half sold out concerts would have generated more people than the Aces have all year. We then take the 64,310 fans and divide it by 14 (the # of games played) so that we get a current total of 4,594 fans per game.

So, as you look through the 35 years of attendance at Roberts Stadium, you will notice that the worst year for the Aces came in 2010 when only 4,832 fans showed up for each game. That figure is 238 fans HIGHER than the current average attendance at the Ford Center. In other words, UE is renting a more expensive arena while their attendance has dropped after only increasing a tad the first year.

If you think attendance for UE’s Men’s Basketball Team is bad, take a look at what the women are pulling in this year…

USI                      N/A

San Jose State    309

UT- Martin          204

Saint Louis           328

Drake                   333

Creighton              858

SIU                        829     AVG ( 2861/6 = 477)

As bad as the Aces men’s team is drawing, their lowest attended game, which was Oakland City at 3,254 fans/game is 393 fans more than what the UE women have brought in TOTAL for the 6 games where attendance figures were given (if you look at photos of the game against USI, it doesn’t look much better).

I don’t know about you but it seems pretty obvious that the Ford Center was not built for teams to only draw crowds in the hundreds instead of thousands. And given the fact that Mr. Scott Schoenike has told us numerous times through numerous sources that the Ford Center is now almost completely booked and will have to start pushing some events out as the year progresses, these figures become solid proof that the Aces and the Ford Center are just not a good match outside of 3-4 men’s games a year.

Some people have argued that while these figures are lower the decision to move into the Ford Center was a good one because the arena is new, it will improve recruiting, and it is built for future Aces attendance improvements.

First of all, the Ford Center is NOT built for the Aces to improve their attendance as it is nearly 2,000 seats smaller than Roberts Stadium. In fact, attendance from 7 seasons where the Aces played at Roberts Stadium are greater than the capacity of the Ford Center (Not that I expect that to be a problem anytime soon). 

Secondly, the Ford Center has not improved recruiting as the Aces are currently in 4^th place in the Missouri Valley Conference which isn’t as good as it normally is. Lastly, a newer arena doesn’t translate into a better team or even a better deal. Look at my review of Southern Illinois’ arena ( ), that team made it to the Sweet Sixteen in 2006!

The most important thing I would like for you to take out of this article is the fact that ALL of this could have been prevented if the Aces would have once again stepped up and made the right decisions for their athletic department like they have done so well in the past.  Not only could things have been better for those who look at this area through purple and orange tinted glasses, it could have also been better for those who want to improve Downtown Evansville with the Ford Center.

What should have happened?

Step 1: City donates Roberts Stadium and the land around it to UE.

Step 2 : City constructs the Ford Center while leaving open 3-4 dates for UE to play top drawing teams like USI, IU, Butler, Creighton, etc, etc. After that, the city fills in the rest of the dates with premier concerts and shows that fill more seats and thus generate more revenue. The city also schedules a few more USI games against notable teams like Kentucky Wesleyan and Northern Kentucky.

Step 3: Instead of dumping $3.3 into a dull, small, and boring practice facility, UE redirects the funds to renovating Roberts Stadium which was estimated to run between $4-4.5 million. UE either decides to demolish the precast concrete above street level and start out with a small Roberts Stadium (4,500-5,000 seats) or decides to leave the precast concrete but expand the length of the floor so that low rent teams like the Evansville Rage can play their home games there (about 8,000-,10,000 seats).

Step 4: UE finances the rest of the renovations by selling naming rights to the gates, commemorative bricks, naming rights to the plazas, streets, and rooms in and around Roberts Stadium.

Step 5: UE schedules low rent teams like the Rage, Crush, and Skyhawks that cannot afford the Ford Center to generate revenue. Trade shows and other events could have also been held there. The facility, like other college arenas, is left open during the day for students to walk and jog around for exercise.

With those 5 steps, UE would have had a paid off arena and would no longer be shelling out thousands of dollars each game in rent (I hear the Aces pay $10,000 a game plus they have to share revenue in other amenities as well with the city and Ford Center). This would have placed UE in an excellent financial position, it would have allowed them to play their games closer to their campus (which is getting close to connecting to Roberts Stadium anyways), and it would have given them plenty of room to expand in the future. Heck, they even could have built a football stadium in the parking lot.

On the other hand, the city would have come out better as well. Being able to schedule only the Aces games that draw big crowds would have allowed the Ford Center to fill the current low turnout game days with acts that would sell more seats. Mr. Schoenike told me last year that he could fill every single day at the Ford Center up in the blink of an eye.

But unfortunately, that didn’t happen. It turns out, the negativity and the horrible way our local government runs our city finally caught up with the Aces. Now, we have a mayor whose buddy-buddy with those who run UE. In fact, you’ll even find a few names from UE and its athletic department on his campaign report. What use to be a well-run university, is now a droid that has been assimilated by the city of Evansville.

Yes, I would still be an Aces fan today if there only problem was attendance. If UE was genuinely giving an effort to do the right thing, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. But here’s the problem- UE is no longer the UE I grew up with. Now, those who run the university have cashed in on UE’s rich basketball history while being the one and only generation who finally let the city throw Roberts Stadium under the bus.

A few years ago, I remember someone from the basketball team (not a player and I’m not going to name names) was on the local news saying that UE is bigger than Roberts Stadium and that it will move on without it. Well, I hate to break it to this person, but Roberts Stadium made UE, not vice-versa as we saw firsthand in the article from 1986 up above.

By far and away, the worst thing UE did to Roberts Stadium was there performance these past few years while its future was in limbo. First, I emailed one of the main professors in the engineering department to see if he could spare just a few minutes to look at the Roberts Stadium structure. He didn’t even have the time of day to email me back. Then, when the task force was assembled, UE brought NOTHING to the table. No ideas, no support, and certainly no cooperation. But as soon as their glorious alumni mayor made the decision to demolish it,  guess who was first in line to cash in on Roberts Stadium’s bricks?...

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jun/20/roberts-stadium-pieces-to-be-sold/

I can’t help but feel like UE selling out Roberts Stadium by collecting on its bricks is also a perfect microcosm for the state of UE Basketball itself…

Today’s University of Evansville Purple Aces aren't your father’s University of Evansville Purple Aces. Unlike previous generations, these Aces didn't stand behind Roberts Stadium. A few weeks ago, the Courier & Press published an article where Venuworks and Ford Center director summed up perfectly my thoughts on the whole situation when he said, “ You don’t have to hate Roberts Stadium to like the Ford Center.”

It’s a shame that message never made it to UE. It’s a shame the Aces weren't willing to stand behind Roberts Stadium in any way, shape, or form because they were too dumb to understand that preserving this arena had nothing to do with the construction of the Ford Center. In fact, it whether they played 0 games or all of their games in Roberts Stadium or the Ford Center, this arena could have still been productive for them just like it could have been for our city at large.

It appears the brain drain has finally hit the last great thing in Evansville- Purple Aces Basketball. And now, it also appears that local residents have finally figured it out as attendance figures have fallen well below the worst of the worst years at Roberts Stadium. Because of their own stubbornness, UE will never own their own arena outright, they will never be able to market their own history to recruits and prospective students, and they will never be able to say that they stood up for Roberts Stadium like previous generations of Aces did. And that….. Is why I am no longer an Aces fan!

As Winnecke Strikes Again, Only One Councilman Takes A Stand

A zebra can't change its stripes and you can't teach a dog new tricks, even if you spend $8 million on a frivolous park for it. This past week, we have seen Lloyd Winnecke use the same bush league tactics towards the new hotel project that he used towards Roberts Stadium. For those who have seen the movie "Ground Hog Day," you may begin to feel like the days in Evansville are beginning to repeat themselves like in the movie.

Not only are we seeing Winnecke go back on his word to bring a transparent government to the civic center, we are also seeing the same closed door policy that he used to demolish Roberts Stadium. It has now been over 6 months since Winnecke announced that he wanted to demolish Roberts Stadium and we STILL don't know if the mayor did any research towards a mid-sized arena, who put the falsified page 13 (known as "general conclusions" despite the general task force having no idea where it came from) in the report, and why it wasn't removed. You have a better chance of parting the Red Sea than finding out any of those answers.

On the day that Judge D'Amour, whose wife just so happens to have been the campaign coordinator for Winnecke when he ran for mayor, ruled against Alan Brille and refused to even address the fact that the task force report was filled with not just errors but with misleading sections and information that clearly isn't true, I said that his decision would be the green light for these same tactics to happen again...

http://rememberrobertsstadium.blogspot.com/2012/09/was-justice-blind-in-roberts-stadium.html

As usual, most city officials brushed off this notion and refused to believe that we would see more actions take place behind closed doors. After this past week, their notion just doesn't hold water. Like Roberts Stadium, the Executive Inn got a raw deal with the city. First, we were led to believe that if we just knocked down half of the building we could refurbish it and use it to compliment the new arena. Then, once Browing Investments turned over the keys after finally deciding to call it quits on remodeling the Executive Inn, the Kunkel Group was rebuffed in their efforts to use what was left of the existing structure.

In the end, the city couldn't have screwed up the outcome any more than they did. Even to this day, we still have no hotel, a sky walk to nowhere, and an old parking garage lot that resembles a landfill. Of course, none of this would have happened if Weinzapfel would have picked the correct location for the arena that didn't involve the Executive Inn in the first place.

The Executive Inn debacle is just one of many times we have watched our mayor and our city officials make the wrong decision when given a wide array of choices. Some other notable decisions include...

1. The previous ECVB, which is basically of the same mindset of the current ECVB, chose the Roberts Stadium lot instead of Kleymeyer Park for their ball fields project. Instead of rejuvenating an area that is in need of repair while taking advantage of Bosse Field, the third oldest active ballpark, we ended up with a drag out fight between the ECVB and city residents over a lot that has ZERO baseball history and ZERO advantages over the Kleymeyer Park lot. What made it even worse was the fact that city residents were never given a choice, it was always what location Dunn picked, then city residents could voice their views.

2. The Chamber, mayor, past mayor, and INDOT choosing the wrong path for I-69. If you look at this map (http://deis.i69indyevn.org/DEIS/Summary/all_new_.jpg), you will see that the current plan is easily the worst possible plan as it requires more land being destroyed, a higher impact on the environment, and a more expensive route to construct. This road could have easily done US 41/I-70 OR it could have done US 41 and then state road 231 or state road 54 just north of Vincennes. This would have had a greater impact on residents living north of us on US 41, it would have left extra funds for high speed rail to accompany this interstate, and it would have prevented the need to plow through forests leading up to Bloomington. But in the end, Evansville city officials weren't going to be happy until they had it their way and the worst route of all, which still isn't finished, was the one chosen. So much for everyone working together.

3. Weinzapfel chooses the wrong location for the Ford Center. Since the city decided to rebuild the Centre on its current lot, a decision that is now proven to be the wrong decision given that the Executive Inn has been demolished and the rest of the entertainment complex is around Aztar, it was a foregone conclusion that the arena would have to be somewhere close by instead of further west by Aztar. However, that didn't mean that the current lot was the only option. First, we watched the city fight D-Patrick for what was the best lot. Given reports from both sides, it is still unclear if the city could have won if they would have stuck with this plan. Unfortunately, they didn't and instead of choosing better locations like the back 40 or going parallel down Main Street, the city choose to go perpendicular to Main Street which required demolition of both the buildings on Main Street and half of the Executive Inn and is now land locked. The sad part is, it all could have been avoided by proper planning.

4. Winnecke decides to ignore all those interested in saving Roberts Stadium and decides on a dog park plan  that he got while in Arizona visiting his daughter. Obviously, this was the worst decision of the four because it was so blatant that he already knew he was going to knock down Roberts Stadium, yet he choose to waste everyone's time on the task force just so he could use them as political pawns. Of all the political issues and events I have been involved with, this was by far the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

So now, you can pretty much imagine why Winnecke has decided to play hide and go seek with the hotel project. As of right now, we are down to three finalists. Although all 3 of these finalists have submitted their plans to the city, no one in the public has any idea..

1. What the proposals include
2. What the renderings look like
3. What the financial contributions from each bidder are

And not only does the city at large have no idea what is going on, apparently Winnecke has decided to meet individually with the city council which is out of the view of the public. Despite this obviously being bad public  policy, only one of the 9 council members is taking a stand against Winnecke- 6th Ward Councilman Al Lindsey.

http://city-countyobserver.com/2013/01/16/letter-to-the-editor-regarding-closed-door-meetings-councilman-al-lindsey/

Not only has councilman Lindsey been very vocal against the current hotel fiasco, he has also taken a stand for Roberts Stadium numerous times...

http://www.14news.com/story/19779285/some-city-council-members-not-on-board-for-roberts-demolition?clienttype=printable

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/oct/15/s/

We all owe Al a HUGE thank you for the consistent stand he has taken for both Roberts Stadium and government transparency. As long as Winnecke feels he has the green light to keep on doing what he is doing, we will need to keep electing people like Al Lindsey to the city council so that these type of tactics are kept in check. I am very proud that he is taking a stand while the other 8 council members have chosen to be puppets and sheep who lack any sort of independent thoughts and actions.

The day after the page 13 controversy broke, I received a phone call from Lloyd Winnecke. He told me that he put me on the task force as a courtesy. So I guess the fact that I had worked on Roberts Stadium for over 2 years did not matter, he was just putting me on the task force because he felt like being a nice guy.

The fact that he has not reached out to Roberts Stadium supporters after his announcement in any way, shape, or form to see if there was some way the city could keep smaller parts of Roberts Stadium as a monument just proves that we were put on the task force so that Winnecke could give some credibility to a task force that was never going to be allowed to come up with the best solution.

And now, just this past week, Winnecke is claiming that his private meetings with council members are a courtesy. That's right, it's a courtesy for the mayor to tell the council his selection behind closed doors instead of letting the entire public see the three plans, evaluate them, and then choose for themselves which is the best. With all of these "courtesy" actions being taken by the mayor, I guess it's Winnecke's World we just live in it.

Moving forward, we must use what happened to Roberts Stadium as an example if we are going to be able to get anything out of the Roberts Stadium fiasco. If we keep allowing tactics like closed door meetings take place, we will have gained nothing from the movement to save Roberts Stadium.

So today, I urge you to contact Al Lindsey and thank him for taking a stand. I also urge you to email the mayor's office and tell them enough is enough. Let's make sure that what happened to Roberts Stadium never happens again!

Weinzapfel Still Clings To His Half-Truths

Of all the bush league tactics that Roberts Stadium had to endure during its final few years of its 56 year legacy, by far and away the worst were the half-truths told about it. What makes these half-truths so ugly, so offensive, and so discouraging is the fact that they have come from our elected leaders. When we put our elected leaders in office, we do so because we want to trust them, we want to believe in them, and we would like to think that they would do the right thing when faced with adversity.

Unfortunately, I cannot say that I believe that former Evansville mayor Jonathan Weinzapfel did the right thing  when it came time to make decisions with regards to both the Ford Center and Roberts Stadium's fate. One of the  things that our current mayor and our past mayor have done that has offended through out the entire process was their pitting Roberts Stadium up against the Ford Center.

From now until the day that I die, I will never, ever understand why our city went out of their way to divide our community. And as bad as I hate to say it, I do have to admit that they accomplished their goal. Many Ford Center supporters clung to the battle and began launching attacks on Roberts Stadium after they became scared that renovating Roberts Stadium into a mid-sized arena would somehow, someway compete with their brand new arena that they were proud of. On the flip side, a fair amount of Roberts Stadium supporters took the battle personally as well and began attacking the Ford Center after they were led to believe that renovating Roberts Stadium was only possible if the Ford Center would not have been built.

Although many good residents of this river city took the bait, I myself refused to join in on this massive division of our city that made a city that is already failing to compete with other cities at war with itself. No matter what our "city leaders" may claim, renovating Roberts Stadium and constructing the Ford Center was not an either/or situation and I will explain why.

Building the Ford Center was done for a wide variety of reasons. It was constructed so that our city could remain competitive in attracting premier and top notch concerts and events. It was also constructed in what I hope is the beginning or revitalizing downtown which will be instrumental in preventing urban sprawl. Also, the Ford Center was built so that our city could field a minor league hockey team known as the Icemen which wasn't possible at Roberts Stadium. I supported constructing the Ford Center for these reasons.

On the flip side, renovating Roberts Stadium was needed for reasons that are completely opposite of the reasons to construct the Ford Center. With Roberts Stadium, we had a healthy arena that was paid off and only in need of minimal renovations to scale it down to the mid-size market. By scaling Roberts Stadium down instead of up, we would have been attracting a market that is basically non-existent in Evansville- the low-middle income sports industry. Teams the compete in indoor soccer, indoor football, and minor league basketball were interested in Roberts Stadium because they could not afford to rent the Ford Center nor would it be in the interests of the city to put these events in the Ford Center which would force out higher revenue generating events. For these reasons and many others, renovating Roberts Stadium into a mid-sized arena was the correct decision.

Given the above truths about constructing the Ford Center and renovating Roberts Stadium, it is basically impossible to claim the two would compete unless you decide to fuse and/or confuse the two concepts. So how could one accomplish this? It's simple- tell half-truths.

Whether it was intentional or unintentional, Mayor Weinzapfel always seemed to do a great job of confusing both himself and his followers of the difference between what we needed to do at Roberts versus what we needed to do at the Ford Center. Remember his comments in 2010?

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/apr/09/evansville-mayor-likes-roberts-stadium-proposal/


" One alternative bandied about called for building a water park inside the stadium. But no one has come forward with a way to pay for that project, Weinzapfel said.

He speculated that private developers may be shying away from Roberts Stadium for the same reason city officials decided against trying to renovate it. A consulting firm hired to study the 54-year-old venue concluded it would cost as much as $91.9 million to make improvements meant to curtail the threat of flooding there and strengthen the roof so it could support more weight."

First of all, the half-truth becomes glaringly obvious when Weinzapfel mentions strengthening the roof which obviously isn't needed for mid-sized events such as indoor football, indoor soccer, minor league basketball, expo events, youth soccer and basketball tournaments, high school basketball tournaments, and misc other events.

But it turns out, the consulting report Weinzapfel was discussing focused on UPGRADING Roberts Stadium instead of DOWNSIZING the arena into a mid-sized arena...

http://rememberrobertsstadium.blogspot.com/2010/11/rumors-of-roberts-stadiums-demise-has.html

Given Weinzapfel's above statement, we can see where he is telling a half-truth by being half right and half wrong. Indeed, Weinzapfel was right about the enormous costs and disadvantages of upgrading Roberts Stadium into a facility that would compete with the Ford Center. But on the other side, he was completely wrong about Roberts Stadium being in a state where private developers would have to spend over $90 million if they were to buy it.

Even worse is the fact that Mayor Winnecke took the bait. At our first task force meeting, Winnecke told our task force that we could not come up with an idea that "competed with the Ford Center." Wait, if constructing the Ford Center was necessary because it gave us an arena that had 3x the roof support, modern revenue generating amenities, as well as extra bathrooms to comply with ADA regulations, HOW CAN ROBERTS STADIUM COMPETE WITH THE FORD CENTER?

This past year, the Roberts Stadium Task Force that I sat on debunked Weinzapfel's claim when the construction manager and architect on our committee came up with a $4-4.5 million price tag for renovating Roberts Stadium, which included the roof, the restrooms, and the concourses that Weinzapfel himself talked about...

(Page 9)

http://media.courierpress.com/media/static/Roberts_report.pdf

With all of this evidence staring Weinzapfel's half-truths right in the face, one would think that he would have done the right thing by coming out publically in support of downsizing Roberts Stadium as a compliment to the Ford Center project he guided the city into constructing. Unfortunately, a speech posted in the Courier & Press back in September shows that Weinzapfel is still clinging to his half truths after all these years...

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/sep/30/big-dreams-brought-a-big-win/

"I would like to start by playing a game of MythBusters. Many of you have probably seen the show on TV. The general idea is that the show's hosts use elements of the scientific method to test the validity of rumors and myths. With hindsight being 20/20, I would like to take a look at the various aspersions cast on the arena project and debunk them one by one."

I hate to break it to the former mayor but no one debunks myths from the truth about Roberts Stadium better than this blog...

http://rememberrobertsstadium.blogspot.com/2011/12/liar-liar-wrecking-ball-on-fire.html

Myth number 10

"There is nothing wrong with Roberts Stadium. We should just renovate it instead of building new downtown."

There is actually some validity to this myth up to a point. We could have done absolutely nothing.

If Weinzapfel would have stopped right there we would have finally gotten him to admit his half-truths. In these two sentences, he basically gives away why Roberts Stadium would have worked perfectly fine as a mid-sized arena. When he says "we could have done absolutely nothing" he is basically conceding the fact that Roberts Stadium was a healthy arena and was only being mentioned for renovations because it did not fit the current premier arena market.

It would have been oh so nice if he would have stopped there and admitted that Roberts Stadium was not the problem, that the problem was that we needed a new arena to compliment this facility. But unfortunately, he decides to go on...

"We could have ignored the problems inherent in the building and let someone else deal with it in the future. Maybe that is what a lot of people would have preferred. But, the fact was that sooner or later someone had to do something.

Roberts Stadium was 50 plus years old. Our consultants said that we'd have to spend up to $17 million over the next three to five years just to keep Roberts open. These costs are just part of an extensive list of deficiencies that would cost $40 million to correct. The concourses and aisles were too narrow and the seats were too small. The heating and air system was on its last leg. There weren't enough rest-rooms and they weren't up to code. Most importantly, Roberts was not in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Second, there were major structural problems that, along with the other deficiencies, would cost $90 million to fix. Many acts passed on playing at Roberts because the rigging isn't strong enough to support the weight of their equipment. And the floor at Roberts Stadium was not regulation size. It was too small for hockey, arena football and any other event that utilizes a standard floor size. Even if those acts could play Roberts, they'd have a hard time getting in there. The truck docks are too small.

Our consultant said it would cost us at least $90 million to try and renovate Roberts and make it lasting and competitive. In essence, we would have to build a new facility."

Yup, after the task force report was released that showed a much cheaper and realistic price tag, after all the citizens who took the tour of Roberts Stadium during our 2nd public session, and after seeing the city lose an indoor football team while a minor league basketball team was never allowed to get off the ground, Weinzapfel STILL decides to cling to his half-truths by citing a consultant report that focused only on using Roberts Stadium as a premier arena.

If Roberts was not in compliance with ADA why was it never shut down by anyone in building codes enforcement? Renovating Roberts Stadium to a mid-sized arena would have given it proper dimensions for indoor football (I worked many hours with the Rage to accomplish this). How many indoor football games are being played at the Ford Center?  And once more, why do we need to strengthen the roof, widen the concourses, renovate the docks, or perform any of the other renovations for a premier arena if we weren't shooting for a premier arena? Lastly, if the heating and air conditioning was going out, why did the HNTB Report list the boilers, chillers, and tubes as all in good condition?

What makes Weinzapfel's speech completely hypocritical is the following line...

"It is appropriate and healthy for the people of Evansville to question the proposal to build a new arena and to challenge their elected officials. That is an important part of checks and balances essential if our democracy is going to succeed.

The issue is what people do with the information. It seemed that a culture of opposing change is what dominated the public discourse about this project, not a yearning to make sure it made sense.

We can't be successful as a community if we are going to operate with blinders on or oppose anything that comes down the pike. Change is inevitable, change is necessary to keep us competitive in a global economy, change means we will grow as a community. It can be very uncomfortable. But if a community is not moving forward, it is falling behind. Doing nothing is no longer an option."

That's right, the mayor who still refuses to relent on his half-truths, refused to lift one single finger to investigate, much less support, downsizing Roberts Stadium, and refused to come out against Winnecke's dog park proposal (I guess he thinks a dog park is moving Evansville forward) is now telling us that we the people of Evansville shouldn't be putting our blinders on. Jonathan Weinzapfel: Pot Meet Kettle.

Weinzapfel then leaves us with this line...

"Lastly, this community needs a shared vision."

So the mayor who gave us an ultimatum of the Ford Center or Roberts Stadium is now telling us we need a shared vision? Tell us Weinzapfel, why should supporters of Roberts Stadium put any skin into a shared vision when both you and Winnecke refused to let us bring mid-sized events to Evansville by telling half-truths that pitted Roberts Stadium against an arena it has never competed with? 

When Weinzapfel held a press conference on the lot the Ford Center now sits on, I came out to support him and the construction of the new arena. But when I as well as many other residents of this city asked him and the city to support us in downsizing Roberts Stadium so that it would compliment his new arena, he refused and ran and hid. 

It would seem to me that if our city truly wants a shared vision, we need to move past those who come in the name of creating a shared vision but only want to implement their own projects while refusing to support other projects. When we do that, we will have a shared vision. But until then, it's just going to be more half-truths....

Hank Roberts: In His Own Words

Below are seven pages written by Mayor Hank Roberts himself in 1959 when he was running for office once more after having served a previous term lasting from 1952-1955. In these seven pages, you will find Roberts' qualifications, accomplishments, and platform for why he should have been re-elected in the fall of 1959. 

As you read through the pages, ask yourself this question: Would you vote for Hank if he ran for mayor in 2015? The reason I ask that you ask yourself that question is because I want you the citizens and residents of Evansville to see just how far we have fallen from the days of Benjamin Bosse and Hank Roberts.

Since Roberts left office, we have yet to see anyone bring the amount of talent he possessed to the mayor's office. Roberts embodied the soul of the city of Evansville by being involved in many organizations while having the guts to take on many bold projects. There is one reason why we have not seen a mayor replicate the success of Hank Roberts, and that is because he has been the last mayor who stood for something.

With all of that being said, I present to you Hank Roberts: In His Own Words...

Oh The Irony! Even The Dogs Have Benefited From Roberts Stadium!

We've seen so many double standards, half-truths, and ironic situations that this next story should come as a surprise to no one. But indeed, there appears to be yet another ironic situation about the destruction of Roberts Stadium in favor of One Term Winnecke's dog park. It turns out, over 45 years ago, there was already an event for dogs and it was INSIDE Roberts Stadium...

http://local.evpl.org/views/viewimage.asp?ID=995444

That's right, back on October 16th of 1967, there was a dog show inside the four walls of Roberts Stadium, and it accomplished everything Winnecke has said he wanted to accomplish on the site today. For example...

Was it something for everyone?

" There were short people, fat people, beautiful people, rich people, and eccentric people..."

Did it bring in tourists who put heads in beds?

" Owners and trainers drove from around the Midwest to enter their canine beauties."

Was it a good draw?

"Every kind of dog except the tattered, briar-and-tick-infested hound dog from down on the farm was there."

We were told by Winnecke himself that he wanted to craft a plan that was something for everyone (yea right!). Yet, the plan he has crafted is 180 degrees from this goal. Not only are mid-sized teams, events, and shows such as minor league soccer, minor league basketball, indoor football, trade shows, USI preseason and postseason basketball tournaments, and many other functions being left out in the cold, even the green space supporters who made away like bandits in all of this got the short end of the stick with Winnecke's plan.

Because of the actions of Lloyd Winnecke and the Parks Department, we will no longer have an affordable venue to host competitive, regional, and maybe even national dog shows. We will also no longer have the opportunity to establish an indoor trail hub for the greenway where residents can walk their dogs when the weather outside is busy. Sure, they will be able to walk them through the newly proposed dog park (if it's built) but it will be nothing new or different from the State Hospital Grounds and/or Kleymeyer Park, nor will it put heads in beds or fill up revenue generating seats.

Next time someone asks you "Who let the dogs out?" you will now know the answer- It's Lloyd Winnecke. Not only did he let them out, he also left them out of the chance to compete!

Remembering Roberts Stadium In The Words Of Kyle Keiderling

Kyle Keiderling, author of the book Trophies & Tears (which can be purchased here: TrophiesandTearsbook.com) has graciously sent me an epilogue that he wrote for Roberts Stadium that you will not find in his book or anywhere else. Not only should this epilogue give you a hint at why his book is one of the best written books on Evansville Ace's basketball and Roberts Stadium, it also should stand as a testament to the impact Roberts Stadium has had on not just our local community but the nation as well.

So without further adieu, I present to you "Remembering Roberts"

Remembering Roberts

Kyle Keiderling

It stands empty now.

Cold.

Cavernous.

Eerily silent.

The home of the Aces of Evansville has seen its last college basketball game. After fifty-five seasons, five national championships, and more memories than can be imagined, it has been declared obsolete and replaced by a new, shining, $127 million futuristic arena downtown.

Replaced—but not forgotten.

“It was the embodiment of the city,” said Rich Davis.

And so it was.

Roberts Stadium was home to the Aces for more than half a century. If those wearing the colors of the Purple Aces were idolized and deified by the people of Evansville, then Roberts was the temple in which they offered their devotions.

Roberts, like the Aces themselves, can never really be replaced in the hearts and minds of fans in Evansville. It was a special place. A place where you saw everyone you wanted to see and where you, in turn, were seen.

Attired in red, the crowds that gathered within its walls saw history made and made history themselves by congregating in greater numbers than spectators anywhere else in the vast land of Division II basketball. From the opening night in 1956 until February 26, 2011, it was the place to be in Evansville, a social mecca that provided thrills and excitement to break the numbing monotony of long, cold winter nights.

The relationship of the Aces and Evansville was a long-term affair, and, like many long-term relationships, the flames of passion died a little with each passing year. But in the embers of the fire glow the memories of years gone by.

The fire may be banked and the ardor that once roared has cooled, but the fleeting spark still rises from the ashes. From time to time the accomplishments of the Aces rekindle the flame, and it roars to life again, igniting the old passion anew.

With a little imagination you can still see the names and faces of those who stoked the flames into bonfires through the years.

Oh, if only these walls could tell of all they’ve seen.

The shot by Buster Briley, the pioneering presence of Jim Smallins, Ed Smallwood gliding across the court with the grace of a man known as the Big Smoke. The Mackey Marvel—Gus Doerner, the Old Man—Hugh Ahlering, the Cox brothers, Wayne Boultinghouse, and high-scoring Larry Humes. Jerry Sloan, Sam Watkins, and Herb Williams and the team that was perfect.

The last championship squad with Don Buse, Mike Platt, and Rick Smith. The young team of 1977–78 with so much promise and such a shocking end. Scott Haffner, Marty Simmons, coaches Dick Walters and Jim Crews reviving the program.

And, of course, Mac.

Stoic, professorial, brilliant Mac, whose only display of emotion was the stomping of a red-clad foot on the sideline on his way to the Hall Of Fame.

And the colors.

Oh, those many colors.

In all of college basketball no team has ever been more colorful than the Purple Aces of Evansville. Players in multihued long robes, covering bright orange t-shirt-style jerseys, charging onto the court from a tunnel into a sea of red.

Where once the roar of the crowd reverberated from the rafters and washed in waves over the court, only silence reigns. But, if you listen closely enough, you can still hear the echoes of the storied past.

Echoes are all that remain of Roberts now, but surely, if you try, you can still hear the familiar rhythmic chant of more than 13,000 fervent fans as they implore:

ACES! ACES! clap, clap—clapclapclap

ACES! ACES! clap, clap—clapclapclap.

Remember Roberts Stadium With A Roberts Stadium Ornament From Rose Marie's

One of the most rewarding things about the Save/Remember Roberts Stadium movement has been the vast amount of people from different backgrounds and different neighborhoods coming forward to tell their stories about what Roberts Stadium has meant to them over the years.

Now, Roberts Stadium supporters can show their support for Roberts Stadium and a local small business by purchasing a Roberts Stadium Christmas Ornament from Rose Marie's Gifts & Collectibles...

(click on images to enlarge)

My camera is not the best so here's what the renderings look like...

Here's the 411 on how you can get this ornament

What does the design look like? On the left side of the ornament is an engraved photo of old Roberts Stadium. On the right side of the ornament is an engraved photo of new Roberts Stadium.

How much is it? $24.75 + tax

Where do I call to order this ornament? The # for Rose Marie's is on their website: http://www.rosemaries.net/

What is the shipping charge for those out of the Evansville area? It depends on where the ornament is being shipped, Rose Marie's will give you a quote when you call them


As someone who is a big fan of collecting sports facility ornaments, replicas, bricks, etc, etc, I'm excited to be adding Roberts Stadium to my collection...

I also hope that you will enjoy the description that comes with each ornament. I typed it up myself!

Lastly, I want to stress that I am not making any money off of these ornaments. Rather, I am asking you to purchase a Roberts Stadium ornament because I want to make sure the Roberts Stadium legacy doesn't fade. We're going to still need the heart and soul of Roberts Stadium as we move forward into future elections and as we plan future smaller arenas in the Tri-State. I also want you to support Rose Marie's, a local small business who has been making ornaments that commemorate Evansville landmarks for 25 years now. I am VERY honored that they have chosen Roberts Stadium for their 25th anniversary ornament, and I am humbled that they reached out to me to help design this ornament.

So If you want to help in the efforts to make sure Roberts Stadium is remembered, please do so by purchasing a Roberts Stadium Christmas Ornament from Rose Marie's here in Evansville. Remember Roberts Stadium!

35 Years Later: Remembering "The Night It Rained Tears"

35 years ago today (Dec 13, 1977), the Evansville Aces men's basketball team suffered a devastating and tragic plane crash killing all on board the plane.

The effects of this tragedy have lingered through the Evansville community for years. It is my belief that whatever we put at the site that will forever be known as Roberts Stadium, we must and should place a new inspiring monument with the existing plaques and pictures that were in the main level recognizing the 1977 Aces.

Sometime during the day, please take a few minutes out of your busy schedule to watch this great video made by Reitz High School and WNIN (both links go to the same place). It really does a great job putting into words and images how awful that day was...

http://www.feelthehistory.com/episodes/201/ue-video.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8928864611836543902#

As you can see from the video, Roberts Stadium played an important role in 1977. Roberts Stadium served as the main place of healing for those who had family and friends in the plane crash. For this reason, I am committed to fighting for this great venue. She was there for us, now it's time for us to be there for her!

Today, we remember the 1977 Evansville Aces men's basketball team.

Will Evansville Be Left Behind Those Empty Walls?

Now that demolition has officially begun on Roberts Stadium, it's time to do once more what I was hoping I wouldn't ever have to do- sign off on the efforts to save Roberts Stadium. It seems like just yesterday when I began this blog, but in reality it has been over 2 years since the first post in early September of 2010.

Truthfully, I have very mixed feelings about these past two years. On the positive side, I'm VERY thankful for all of the people I have met because of this big brown building. As someone who seeks to build their career and life around the development of sports venues, I have always championed the idea that cities aren't just building arenas when they construct them. Rather, they are building neighborhoods, businesses, and most importantly, they are improving relations throughout their city between both their residents and residents of other cities. I am proud of what every single arena, ballpark, and stadium has accomplished both in the U.S as well as around the world.

Many people think you just look at the bottom line when you build an arena. Despite it being profitable, Roberts Stadium has proven that theory wrong. Roberts Stadium wasn't just an arena, it was a way of life, and to those of you who have gotten involved in all of the multiple battles to save Roberts Stadium I say thank you.

By far and away the comment that has meant the most to me happened when a supporter of this blog called me and told me that she had been called by Carol McClintock, wife of the man they say is mayor of Evansville. In her failed attempt to convert this member to the side of demolition, she admitted to this supporter that, " BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WERE FIGHTING THE DEMOLITION OF ROBERTS STADIUM."

These past few years, many people have tried to make Roberts Stadium nothing but a political issue. They've  pointed fingers and used this iconic arena like it was built just for them to use it as prop for their political career. Little did they know, Roberts Stadium wasn't Democrat Blue nor was it Republican Red, it was Roberts Stadium Brown and Texas Burnt Orange with a hint of yellow insulation and gray bricks beneath it.

With all of that being said, I must point out the negatives of these past few years because quite frankly I am appalled by the many disgusting things that have happened and I believe they should be called out.

I'll start off by saying this: I have always thought our community was one of the top cities when it came to giving. For many years we've outnumbered almost any city when it came to churches, veteran's organizations, and just plain ole great American groups like the West Side Nut Club. Don't get me wrong, we still have most, if not all, of the groups we've always had like that, but I am now of the mind that their generosity is being overshadowed by a fairly large number of residents and organizations who are out to help only themselves.

As a community leader, Roberts Stadium was also instrumental in showing the true colors of a lot of individuals and groups here in Evansville. When I started this blog, I never imagined in a million years just how many people would be hellbent on destroying this arena at all costs. Thankfully, the one successful thing to come out of this movement has been the showing of those who don't care about Evansville.

The reason why I say that is because I find it to be nothing short of disgusting the way some have treated Roberts Stadium. We saw the Building Authority director go out of his way to point at little micro dents, dings, and leaks around the arena as well as round up a company to remove the parking lot for free, but we never saw him try to show the real Roberts Stadium to any one in the community who was interested in trying to save it unless he was told to, nor did we see him disclose to the public that he had been approached by several people wanting to rent the parking lot which would have helped stabilize the arena.

We never saw UE lift one finger to help save Roberts Stadium. They had several donors and supporters like the great Jerry Sloan, Larry Humes, and Scott Hafner in their cupboard yet they NEVER gave one ounce of energy towards fighting for the building that was there for them when they were at their lowest point. And not only did they refuse to fight for Roberts Stadium, they also made sure they milked it for everything it was worth. They talked about how great of a facility it was when they were trying to sell tickets to their last game there. And then, when everything was said and done, they were first in line to have the mayor hand them free bricks from Roberts Stadium.

We also never heard from any of our so called "business leaders" or "political leaders" when it came time to stand behind Roberts Stadium. Groups like the ECVB, the Southwestern Indiana Chamber of Commerce, GAGE, and many other union, business, and government agencies are ALWAYS asking for the community to help them. Yet, none of these organizations gave a damn about one of Evansville's main buildings. Why was this? Because they simply didn't want to put out any effort to fight for anything that didn't help them personally.

I am truly disgusted in the actions of all of the above groups.

The last thing that I would like to say that I am very disappointed in was both the performance of the Evansville City Council and Mayor Lloyd Winnecke. The council flip flopped in every direction they could so that they could approve demolition funds without making it look they were wanting to demolish it. They used it to get elected, and then they used it as a way of telling the in crowd at the civic center that they were on their side so that they wouldn't be prevented from furthering their careers. Although they are appointed and not elected, the Evansville Parks Board embodies this same mentality.

And then there's Lloyd Winnecke. Words cannot express how completely disappointed I am at the way he handled this situation. For those of you who followed this blog frequently, you will recall that I asked you to support him when he was elected and rally behind him when he assembled the task force that I was a member of. I was also one of the few, if not only, task force member to publicly thank him for forming the task force at our first meeting. I generally thought he cared about Roberts Stadium and was interested in what I was trying to accomplish.

Yes, I feel like an idiot for believing that Winnecke cared but I'll tell you why I  took the bait. I had known Winnecke through this Roberts Stadium project for over a year and change before he became mayor. Every time I saw him, whether it was at his office discussing Roberts Stadium, or helping film Newsmakers for which he was a guest a few times on he was always nice and made sure he gave me the impression that he cared.

When I met with him in November of last year for the final time before the task force was assembled, he was unable to rebute any of my solutions, saying only, " Well I'll look at it and if someone can convince me I'll think about it." He never could explain why both SMG and Venuworks believed that Roberts and the Ford Center would not compete, he never could explain how the three tenants, college and high school basketball games, the disaster relief area, and all the rest of those interested in Roberts Stadium could somehow someway be jammed into an expensive and already filled Ford Center.

So when he told me out in the back 40 parking lot after the IURC meeting over the proposed Vectren rate hike last December that he would be putting me on the committee, I was excited and I genuinely thought he was going to actually give a damn. But just months later, everything changed. A false page was added after the final task force meeting that claimed it was cheaper to build a new arena than to renovate the current Roberts Stadium.

And when I told the C&P that that was false after they called me, I received a phone call from city hall. I knew on that day that Roberts Stadium was going to be demolished. And at that moment, I was in complete shock that the city had tried to use me and my efforts to save Roberts Stadium in such a blatant way, but they did and I will never trust any city government branch again when I work on other projects.

So now, due to the actions of all the above groups, we are left with nothing but empty walls at 2600 Division Street.

And for those who will argue that this was a once in a lifetime battle, think again. The main problem with Roberts Stadium was that some other government organization wanted it and many organizations who could care less about urban planning using the whole area and not just the arena itself. Wesselman Woods and Nature Center just had to have the Roberts Stadium lot. And guess how much resistance the Parks Board put up to this notion? You guessed it, zero. Even though a mid-sized Roberts Stadium left plenty of room for a green space in the back lot the size of the one being constructed at the old airport, and even though the BMX supporters could have gotten their skate board only facility attached to Swonder while hosting BMX tournaments inside Roberts while those who wanted a natatorium could build on the Hartke Pool lot with a new pool, every single one of these groups just had to have Roberts Stadium. In Portland, Oregon, we saw how all of these groups won when they came together with their Memorial Coliseum...

http://saverobertsstadium.blogspot.com/2012/01/we-can-learn-lot-from-portland-oregon.html

But here in Evansville, you just won't see that type of planning with that many interested groups. No, everything everywhere will have to be a "winner take all" format. With Roberts Stadium only partially demolished, we are already seeing what battles still linger. Currently, the future of Mesker Amphitheatre, Old North High School Gymnasium (designed by Ralph Legeman as well), and the McCurdy Hotel all still have question marks in their future. None of these landmarks are still going off of the original plan to restore them.

Now that most of the shell of Roberts Stadium on the eastern side has been removed from the arena, a new question begs to be asked: Will you, I, and the city of Evansville be left behind those empty walls?